Tuesday, April 17, 2007

VA Tech Tragedy ... How to PREVENT the next one

A simple, surefire way to prevent the kind of massacre that happened at Virginia Tech … a way that should be installed in every school, campus, public building and public square immediately to prevent one from happening again

Summary:

  1. Every school campus, business, city and town should have a major alarm system of either sirens or horns, like hundreds of towns now have tornado warning systems, whether the danger be a gunman, bomb, tornado or hurricane.
  2. The moment the disaster siren goes off on the campus or in the community, everyone should seek immediate shelter and lock themselves in.
  3. Under no circumstances are authorities to release the lockdown and put people and children in harm’s way until the shooter, shooters, or group is fully apprehended and/or lies dead in the police’s presence.

More details …

A simple, surefire way to prevent the kind of massacre that happened at Virginia Tech … a way that should be installed in every school, campus, public building and public square immediately to prevent one from happening again.

  1. Install in every school, campus, post office, restaurant and factory a siren or tornado-type horn warning that goes off the moment a shot occurs, the same warning system that exists in hundreds of towns for tornadoes and hurricanes.
  2. The siren goes off the moment there is a danger, whether it be a gunman, a bomb, a tornado, a hurricane to warn every human being there is a serious danger present.
    Everyone immediately takes shelter wherever they can, not just in a building, but a classroom, a pantry, a closet, a basement or attic. They lock every door they can behind them – the entrance to the building, to the classroom, to the office, to the closet, so the gunman has to open multiple locks to get to anyone.
  3. They pull all shades, turn off all lights, and be as silent as possible.
  4. Every loud speaker system available in classrooms, buildings, stadiums, public squares, immediately broadcasts a red zone danger exists and take cover wherever you can, and turn on the Emergency Radio System, email system if it exists, and television to learn what’s happening from a safe place.
  5. OF CRUCIAL IMPORTANCE: Authorities do not end the lock down and bring people/students into the open unless and/or until the shooter is apprehended or lies dead at a policeman’s feet. If this simple step had been followed at Virginia Tech, instead of the authorities assuming the shooter left the campus, 34 people would still be alive, and over 20 not wounded. The authorities must be absolutely sure every shooter, or group, is apprehended, dead, or rendered incapable of harming anybody else.
    It is the height of irresponsibility to say we “heard” the shooter is gone so end the lock down and let everyone go back in harm’s way.
  6. Every school and campus should have mandatory indoctrination and training as to how to proceed when the disaster sirens go off, like we used to have for fire drills and air raid drills. The same holds true for employees of every business of every size – from the post office and McDonald’s, to city hall and factories.
  7. Every place that can, especially schools and campuses, should have a pre-assigned communication’s center where everyone can get up to date information regarding loved ones.
  8. In addition, there should be a number to call for an up to date message/recording as to what is happening, and what they should do next.

This is not difficult to do! Towns all across the south have the tornado warnings installed as we speak! How can we put a price tag on the safety and security of our children?

I go berserk when I hear the people defending the decision to let these children go to school because they "thought" the shooter "left campus ... maybe even the state." Please!

20 Comments:

At 3:51 AM, Blogger AlyceMD said...

I think this is a great idea. When I was growing up in St. Louis in the 60's, we had both tornado AND nuclear attack drills. (Like getting under our desks would really help in a nuclear conflagration!) But we had them the 1st Wed. of every month, as long as the weather wasn't threatening.

We had a Reservation-wide disaster drill at Cherokee, and the scenario was a school shooting, and we learned a lot from it. For instance, the JROTC class didn't lock down, so they were taken "hostage". And after it was over, one teacher refused to open her door for the police, because she thought it could be the shooters trying to trick her -- so they had to come up with a code word -- they didn't want to use the PA system, because the shooter could have a gun to the Principal's head, forcing him to make the "all clear" announcement. It worked well then, and I think we should start doing it again now. Metal detectors won't work -- there are plastic guns and knives -- and explosives. Kids can learn how to make bombd over the internet -- it's time to protect our future, for as long as we can. But I'm still afraid we're already in WWIII, it just hasn't been announced as such yet.

 
At 2:35 PM, Blogger oddfork said...

I grew up on Canadian Air Force Stations and we had "alerts" all the time. We were taught as children to run directly home when we heard the siren. What a sad thing that there are so many people in the states with guns and that guns are so easy to get there.

 
At 3:17 AM, Blogger Mark Brockman said...

Tom, I usually agree with you on most issues, but on this I think you are over re-acting big time. Please do not fear monger. Yes the horror at VT (my heart goes out to all those effected) should push us to do better to keep students and all of us safer, yes mistakes were made, but no one, no system, is perfect. Alarms may help, drills may help, making yourself a prisoner in your own home in a closet or basement when the alarm goes off will do nothing (shades of the horror of the "Bay of Pigs" what a joke that was). The only thing missing in your idea was the duct tape, sorry I meen no disrespect. Despite the alarms people still die from tornados. Why? because no system is perfect and to have the government create and maintain the system.......well you know that will not work, it is government. We need cool heads here not hot, reactionary ones. Changes will be needed but to do so only in fear and without great thought, will be more harmfull then not. Lets look at what really happened and make good desisions based on that to improve what should have been done. Training is the best solution, train those in charge, train the students, it will help, but nothing will make us safer, compleatly. There has always been danger to life and limb in the world and that will never change. believe me I wish it would, could, but after the thousands of years of human life it never has. To live a life of paranoia is not a pleasent prospect. You of all people should know this Tom.

As far as the gun issue, we have gun laws that are not enforced now, more may help but again how can they if we do not enforce what we have. I do beleive that everyone who owns a gun should take a test, like a drivers test, but even this would not prevent the horror at VT. I own guns, I was taught to hadle the guns safley and I taught my kids the same as my father. I do beleive there are guns that no one needs to own, guns that are of no use other then to kill people, but even with strict laws of ownership those who want guns for evil will get them.

Lets think and act with cool heads and not react to just the moment.

 
At 8:00 AM, Blogger pouri said...

Tom:

I really like your ideas on several levels. First, as a high school teacher I (and my colleagues) think about school shootings on a daily basis. My first thoughts upon hearing of the VTech killings was "What will I do when this happens where I teach?" Notice I said WILL and WHEN- I used to think WOULD and IF but not anymore. We have a PA system at our high school that will alert us to intruders, but it will not protect the surrounding businesses and homes.
Secondly, I live on the West Coast of FLA. We don't even have a warning system to let us know about pending hurricanes. If you don't have a TV or radio you are SOL.
Lastly, although I am all for Constitutional Rights (I teach American Government) I am beginning to rethink the right to bear arms. I own several types of guns- handguns and shotguns. I was raised to respect weapons, and not treat them as toys. My father and cousins all hunted and we ate what they caught (this was back in the day when FLA actually had wild animals- now we have condos and homewoners associations! Also, when I travel alone or with my mother, and I exercise my right to keep myself and my family safe. In light of recent events, though, I questions whether our handgun laws are tough enough. I think that the VTech shooter should not have been allowed to purchase a handgun because he had been in a mental facility (I realize we are treading on several Constitutional issues here). Lets just make purchasing a handgun a total pain in the ass across the board- for everyone. I say make people write an essay as to why they want the gun, what they want to use it for, and why they chose the gun they did. You have to write and essay to get into college, why not to purchase guns. If you are serious about purchasing the gun you will write the essay! Far fetched, I realize, but it is a start.

Before ending this response, I would like to address the posting by alycemd: I think you are right about WWIII. If we are not there yet, I hope we can prevent it before it happens. WAKE UP AMERICA-we need to start working together or we will surely die together. It is time we stand up and defend the ideals of the Founding Fathers, and the ideals of the Constitution.

Sincerely,

pouri

 
At 8:11 AM, Blogger Christina Cook said...

Tom that is a great idea! But the problem is that the children doing the murder sprees are Manchurian Candidates & as soon as the deed is done the child kills himself or someone else comes in & kills them so they cannot be questioned. Then the drum the NEWS start banging is 'disarm the American people' drum. There is much info out there to prove that the reality of the Manchurian Candidate lone loco killer out there is a programmed killer is true. Read www.skolnicksreport.com a court reformer since the 1960's who is well aware of who the real bad guys are and the Pirates involved who are taking over the 'Ship' of this country illegally, or www.cuttingedge.org & many other sites where this is known to be true. i love you Tom & Delores for all the good you are doing but there is a lot more info out there that will make you more & well informed about the badguys to make you really dangerous to them. Find it.

 
At 10:35 PM, Blogger C. Benson said...

So the alarm goes off. And you have 26,000 students running for cover. They run to the nearest shelter they can find: their dorms, a classroom, a closet. And lock the doors behind them.

The problem is: the shooter also knows about the alarm system and can easily prepare for that.

If there are no witnesses to what he's just done, he's just one more anonymous student running with the crowd. How do you know which one is him? You're going to have to investigate 26,000 students. Is everyone required to stay where they are during that process?

Or he can tuck his weapons into his jacket and wait until he's locked in somewhere with 20 or 30 people. And they're locked in with him. How many shots can he fire before the police realize where he is and what he's doing?

Sirens work for tornadoes and hurricanes because tornadoes and hurricanes don't think and they don't plan and they can't hide among us and wait for the opportunity to kill.

 
At 2:43 AM, Blogger Mark Brockman said...

I agree with Benson as can be see by my previous comment. What will now happen, there are going to be hearings today, is just a lot of talk. The government will take up a lot of time discussing what should be done but in truth little will be done and chances are if anything is decided it will be of little help if it makes sence at all. Maybe there should be a color code for warnings? Oh no, that has already been done, did not work either.

The only way for us to be a safer society is to be watchful, suspicious when needed, but to be calm and thoughtful so as not to over-react and in the long run cause more harm. Educating students, teachers, parents and the general populous is the best way to make us safe. More locks, more alarms, more color codes, more guns will not make us safer, but education and a calm wachfulness and too, a sensitivity, to those around us, so we can sense someone's pain or the danger. Again this can only happen from education, not the government or more laws or rules. Do we want to be prisoners in our own schools, homes or towns? I do not think so.

 
At 4:17 PM, Blogger Christina Cook said...

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM PRISON PLANET www.prisonplanet.com AN ALEX JONES WEBSITE:

Seung-Hui Cho Was a Mind Controlled Assassin

......"One such victim of these experiments was Cathy O'Brien (www.Trance-Formation.com), who immediately after the shootings re-iterated the revelations in her latest book, that Blacksburg Virginia is a central location for mind control programs that are still ongoing today.

CIA mind control programs can be tracked back to the 1950's and Project BLUEBIRD, later renamed ARTICHOKE. From blogger Kurt Nimmo;

“BLUEBIRD was approved by the CIA director on April 20, 1950. In August 1951, the Project was renamed ARTICHOKE. BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE included a great deal of work on the creation of amnesia, hypnotic couriers, and the Manchurian Candidate,” writes Colin A. Ross, MD. “ARTICHOKE documents prove that hypnotic couriers functioned effectively in real-life simulations conducted by the CIA in the early 1950’s. The degree to which such individuals were used in actual operations is still classified…. BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE were administered in a compartmented fashion. The details of the programs were kept secret even form other personnel within the CIA…. The BLUEBIRD/ARTICHOKE materials establish conclusively that full Manchurian Candidates were created and tested successfully by physicians with TOP SECRET clearance from the CIA…. As well as being potential couriers and infiltration agents, the subjects could function in effect as hypnotically controlled cameras. They could enter a room or building, memorize materials quickly, leave the building, and then be amnesic for the entire episode. The memorized material could then be retrieved by a handler using a previously implanted code or signal, without the amnesia being disturbed. Hypnosis was not the mind control doctors’ only method for creation of controlled amnesia, however. Drugs, magnetic fields, sound waves, sleep deprivation, solitary confinement, and many other methods were studied under BLUEBIRD and ARTHICHOKE.”
Researchers into supposed "lone nut" assassinations time and time again run across evidence pointing to CIA mind control experimentation. The best example is Sirhan Sirhan, Bobby Kennedy's assassin. Sirhan was found to be in a completely trance-like state after pulling the trigger and couldn't even remember shooting Kennedy when asked about the incident days later. Sirhan's lawyer, Lawrence Teeter, has presented convincing evidence that Sirhan was under mind control.

Either way you cut it, Seung-Hui Cho was a victim of brainwashing and mind control. The right questions are not being asked and the finger of blame is being pointed in the wrong direction, ensuring that another tragedy like the VA Tech Massacre is almost guaranteed. "

 
At 4:19 PM, Blogger Christina Cook said...

Tom & Delores, Thank you for the opportunity to comment here.

 
At 7:35 AM, Blogger Mark Brockman said...

CIA mind control! I would not put it past the gov. to try it but I doubt this applies here. Why would they have Cho kill other students, even our gov. is not that evil (or are they), I hope not. As for Sirhan Sirhan, or even Cho if he had lived; it would not be unusual for some one at that dark place in thier mind, not to remember what they did, they would have to be in such a dark place already that the mind might have to forget to deal with it. Or maybe he could not remember, intentionally.

The world can be a dark and dangerous place at times. Our gov. has and most likely will do bad things (of which there is no excuse) but to try and blame all bad things on the gov. is to miss the real issue here, and that is how our society is going in a wrong direction. If we as a people stand together to make our world a better place, evil things our gov. (and other governments) do will be harder to do, even mind control.

Some conspiracy plots may be true but lets be careful not to go to wild with our ideas, as it only helps covers up the real problems.

 
At 1:14 PM, Blogger Christina Cook said...

To: Comment poster Mark Brockman
You can research the quote i put above your comment to my post. It's not just a 'governement' thing it really is a New World Order (NWO) operation part of the plan to enslave the world. Some websites you can read to investigate you can google mind control Or may i reiterate www.skolnicksreport.com, www.trance-formation.com, Susan Ford a.k.a. Brice Taylor. Also i met 'Billy Jack' Tom Laughlin at Estelle Harmons acting school in Los Angeles in 1969 or 1970. He requested that i audition for his movie Billy Jack. Long story short-I just had a severe head injury & was really messed up & declined. Only i didn't know what a head injury could do to a person. But i had a lot of problems. A friend of mine took me to UCLA to be tested. They said my I.Q.was 70. That is Forest Gump my friend. I didn't even know what that meant. I couldn't hold a job for very long. Then in 1979 i became a Christian. At that time i had a supernatural visitation from Jesus Christ & was healed. Long story short i took a test to go into the Navy. i passed. The first test in bootcamp my score was the highest out of 80 girls. Later on the Military put me in the Looney Bin at Tripler Army hospital Honolulu, Hawaii and kept me for "observation" and they gave me a battery of tests plus an I.Q. test and i tested from 115 to 120. Then they let me out of the Looney Bin and gave me a Top Secret clearance!?!? The story continues.... All looney bins, in my opinion, are a cover up for minDControl. No disrespect instended Friend-i know what i speak of. Know the truth as it will set you free.

 
At 2:22 PM, Blogger Christina Cook said...

Dear Friends, i have a friend Pam Schuffert who has been investigating a lot of 'controversial truth'. She is on the internet radio now Sat 4pm-5pm Pacific time http://www.themicroeffect.com and she has a website up now again www.americanholocaust.com i believe. She has had 3 assassination attempts made on her life within the last year. This is no joke. Many people that i had heard of & read their material exposing the truth when they were alive are now dead (i.e. Sherman Skolnick,Cooper (Behold a Pale Horse), Green (Black Helicopters I & II, Bary Chamish survived a couple of attempts while exposing goverment corruption in Israel. They almost succeeded in the last attempt. He is a jew from Canada who is now back in North America. Most people haven't heard about these unsung heroes who have died in there service to their country including 20 + Admirals on their way to Impeach Clinton under the Uniform Law of Military Justice as their plane was sabotaged....friends the list is in the hundreds of known names & probably higher with the unnamed....The people hiding the truth are very serious about suppressing the flow of truth. So do we shut up about the truth because of it for fear of being the next target? Heck no, thats not the American way nor is it the Christian way for, in my heart, both are the way of truth.

 
At 4:03 PM, Blogger Mark Brockman said...

Cristina, You are of course entitled to your opinion but I just don't see it. Not because I think our government wouldn't try mind control, but because I don't think they are smart enough to do it and even if they did the government can not keep a secret. Trust me for reasons I can not explaine I too know of what I speake of. There is a lot that people try to explaine with wild ideas because it is hard to believe that something as horrible as the VT insident can happen. Look to history and you will see that horrible things have been happening for thousands of years without mind control though much was because of government and religion. I hate to say this but more people have died because of religion (including the christian religion, christions slaughtered thousands of people) then any one reason. So if you want to belive in mind control and religion go for it, I would even fight and die for your beliefs. I on the other hand do not believe in mind control and religion. Will you fight and die for my beliefs?

 
At 4:52 PM, Blogger Christina Cook said...

Mark, The facts remain & many know the facts & are reporting them. It is no secret to those who have set their sights on knowing the truth that Joseph Mengele was brought over to continue the mind control experiments he started in Nazi Germany's death camps. The results of the Monarch MKULTRA programming is a fact. The human mind is like a computer & can be programmed & there are thousands of testimonys of this truth & people have gone before congress with the documents to prove it is true. Television, radio, movies, music, etc., use what was discovered during the studies of minDControl. They pump out lies about everything & most people believe what is said. Good news is people are waking up! There is a big difference what is happening today & what was happening 10 years ago. You say you don't believe in "religion" or "minDControl" but it doesn't sound to me like you have made an attempt to study the testimonys or facts. i certainly wouldn't want you on my court case as one of the jury as it appears you wouldn't even read the testimony of facts. Based on the way you sound you would decide guilty or not guilty on what you now believe & not what the facts would reveal. You just don't believe anything without talking to the people involved, reading the testimonys, reading the books exposing this very real thing of minDControl & Manchurian Candidates. i have & i have met many of them. So you are either sent to discredit the truth or you choose not to know the truth because it goes against your belief system. The perpertrators against our minds bank on people not to believe it. i have found the only eternal effective way to 'break' programming is the power of the living God in the person of Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ there is no hope. The bible says without the Son you don't have the father.

 
At 5:42 PM, Blogger Mark Brockman said...

Cristina, You have no idea of what I have or have not read or studied or investigated. My mind is not a closed one. I have read the bible, was brought up in a religious house. You say my mind is made up, far from the truth and I have not been sent. I am concerned that you would think that some one would be "sent" to discredit, what? Tom Lauglin? To the contrary I agree with much of what he says, just not this time with this blog. Some of us believe only what we want to believe regardless of truth. You may read something in a book, you may even talk with those who say they know, but they will tell you what you want to hear, not always the truth. You speake of mind control, do you know that religion and preachers use a form of brain washing to keep the believers believing? The same techiques to brainwash are the ones used by religion. Again you have the right to believe what you will as do I. I will not condem you for your beliefs, please do not condem me for mine. Tkae care and I hope you can find peace within yourself.

 
At 2:51 PM, Blogger The Rabbit said...

Ive looked at these posts, and I say to my self: "and I thought I was Paranoid"
People.. what ever happened to taking responsibility for your own personal security? Mind control, NWO, Manchurian Candidate, or just a plain old wack job, whatever it may be, defending yourself and your family will give you the highest chance of success. There are not enough Police to protect us all.
1. It would cost too much money and,
2. We would then live in a Police State (any takers for that lifestyle?)
When it comes to Schools I understand that the last thing we would want is Children Carrying, even for defense. However there are teachers who would not be afraid of carrying and would be able to protect the Students.
What makes Schools and Campuses so vulnerable is that they are called "Gun Free Zones" All that policy or law does is disarm Law abiding Citizens and does nothing that a criminal or maniac would fear.
Remember some of our Gun Free Zones
Columbine, Pearl HS, VA Tech, Lubbys Cafeteria.
These places all had signs up that basically said: Attention Criminals We have disarmed our customers for your convenience, Happy Hunting.
Thank you for considering this comment, and remember YOU are the only person who really cares if your family lives or dies.

 
At 2:52 PM, Blogger The Rabbit said...

Ive looked at these posts, and I say to my self: "and I thought I was Paranoid"
People.. what ever happened to taking responsibility for your own personal security? Mind control, NWO, Manchurian Candidate, or just a plain old wack job, whatever it may be, defending yourself and your family will give you the highest chance of success. There are not enough Police to protect us all.
1. It would cost too much money and,
2. We would then live in a Police State (any takers for that lifestyle?)
When it comes to Schools I understand that the last thing we would want is Children Carrying, even for defense. However there are teachers who would not be afraid of carrying and would be able to protect the Students.
What makes Schools and Campuses so vulnerable is that they are called "Gun Free Zones" All that policy or law does is disarm Law abiding Citizens and does nothing that a criminal or maniac would fear.
Remember some of our Gun Free Zones
Columbine, Pearl HS, VA Tech, Lubbys Cafeteria.
These places all had signs up that basically said: Attention Criminals We have disarmed our customers for your convenience, Happy Hunting.
Thank you for considering this comment, and remember YOU are the only person who really cares if your family lives or dies.

 
At 10:37 PM, Blogger Hope said...

I agree with this. In my sophmore year 2 yrs ago. My school district had a lock down due to a statement on the bathroom wall stating that 13 people would be shot and killed the next day. The writing was discovered the day before these deaths were to occur. Knowingly the teachers let school out at the normal time and not one word was said to the students and the only way our parents were notified was through the noon news the next day only after the school was locked down! I understand that the staff didnt want to cause Chaos the day that the messege was discovered but it would have made the students alert and on thier toes. Yet the students were blindly walking around after school that day and before school the day that the lockdown occured. I remeber very clearly what we (the students) were to do if a code red was issued. It was put all cell phones on the teachers desk (b/c they could activate a bomb), lock the doors and get into the back of the room. Okay so heres my cell phone, Im hunched down in the back of the classroom with the other 25-30 other students and the teacher staring out of the pane glass window(no blinds) leading to the court yard outside. Thinking to my self "Hmmm I wonder what the gunmen is going to do when he figures that out, and here we all are lined up in the back of the classroom in a perfect formation, the gunmen could take everyone of us that quick and we would never see it coming". I am for this system that Tom and Delores have come up with. I still have 3 brothers in middle/elementry and one in high school. I want to know that when I tell them I'll see them after school as they get on the bus, THAT I WILL SEE THEM AFTER SCHOOL, and not in a hospital or in a morgue. The "drills" that we were to follow, protects the students and staff to a point. The familes who lost loved ones in Columbine FOUND OUT THAT THIER LOVED ONES WERE INFACT DEAD FROM THE NEWS!!! NO PARENT SHOULD EVER HAVE TO FIND OUT THAT WAY!!!! EVER. If this idea can save lives than we should be in agreence with it! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOING OVER BOARD OR BEING TO SAFE WHEN IT COMES TO THE LIVES OF CHILDEREN AND STAFF! If it helps save lives I will do anything in my power to help get this system up and going! By all means we have given everything else a shot why not this! I witnessed myself a principle of a school and also the school board tell a student that they didnt know what they were talking about when this student offered up an idea about how we could better the drill! THEY BLEW THE STUDENT OFF! If the students are the ones shooting up the schools(which it has been for the most part) and the rest of the students (whom are the ones in danger of losing thier lives and/or being seriously injured) are willing to learn a new edition and/or a new drill to help save their lives than listen to them! Hear what they have to say. I 150% agree with this plan. The student(s) will know about the drill..yes HOWEVER they then know that it will be that much harder to pull off and or just to give it up all together! This one cop in school a day isnt cutting it, and thats if they have one in thier schools! You can find parents who are willing to give up their day to protect students and staff, Im sure that the police would be more than willing to train them how to deal with a shooting or a bomb threat. No threat should be taken lightly! I am all for my right to have a fire arm, BUT I HAVE ALWAYS TREATED A FIREARM AS A DEADLY WEPON NOT SOMETHING TO PLAY WITH! Like I said if a student has an idea on how to better the procedure listen to them b/c it could very well save lives! Im for this idea! Lets take action before yet another student or teacher dies! And terror is yet again in our schools!

 
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At 5:46 PM, Blogger AtheistAtLARGE said...

This looks like a good idea, on the surface.
Many good ideas are thought through but maybe not to an inevitable extent.
Good intentions at times leave holes in the scenarios, I would like to push your ideas to their limits on what might happen.
I understand the fallacy of "lets play the what if game" however I believe your idea has merit and thus needs to be threatened by tests that would or could break it.
Life is precious and mankind doesnt seem to honor the rarity of life, but revel in the idea that we're alone and the universe is ours to concur. Something Ive grown to hate, for the only thing worse in my current understanding is apathy, the other edge of the same sword which is at the throat of mankind
People can contact me at aal@atheistatlarge.org for debate or to help encourage this to be implemented.

 

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